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Greensleeves wins case brought by Scientist

Postby Chocolate Soldier » Thu May 19, 2005 11:27 pm

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Postby j.com » Fri May 20, 2005 4:17 am

What a great soundtrack for a vid game! They should make a game using some Lee Perry sounds. Better yet, maybe a game based on the man himself? I gotta get the rights to that one.
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Postby skunkride » Fri May 20, 2005 8:13 am

According to Greensleeves Records, the court found that Browne was not the owner of either the recording or composition copyrights.

Welcome to the jamaican music industry mr. Scientist :?
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Postby 6655321 » Fri May 20, 2005 8:15 am

Is the dubbing engineer the “author” of the dub? I would say it’s the musicians who laid the riddim or whoever wrote the riddim, but then JA music applies a whole different logic when it comes to copyright and crediting. In Scientist’s case, it must be said , Scientist is one of the most brilliant engineers, no one could mix it like Scientist, so….
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Postby ephteeay » Fri May 20, 2005 8:21 am

Is the dubbing engineer the “author” of the dub? I would say it’s the musicians who laid the riddim or whoever wrote the riddim


scientist dubs (and most dubs in general) are so different to the original riddim track that the engineers definitely deserve credit..... when a riddim is just instrumental with not too much difference, the musicians should be credited only... on how many LPs do you see the mixing engineer credited on the front cover!!


(but i think the musicians should be credited somehow in every case... )
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Postby Chocolate Soldier » Fri May 20, 2005 8:36 am

Just wanted to add that a mix engineer getting songwriting credit by virtue of the fact of mixing or owning the copyright on a tune due to the fact he/she has mixed it is so far outside of record industry norms it surprises me this case got as far as it did - there was no chance he could ever win..
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Postby I-brow » Fri May 20, 2005 8:48 am

the thing is : it's still his name that makes the record sell : does that count enough to claim copyright or not ?

I think this is a peculiarly jamaican music issue and it's interesting to get opinions on that. Copyright specialists in the house ?
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Postby Chocolate Soldier » Fri May 20, 2005 9:28 am

I-brow wrote:the thing is : it's still his name that makes the record sell : does that count enough to claim copyright or not ?


No,
he got paid $5 or whatever by Junjo to mix the tunes, he did his work , end of story..
Junjo presumably paid the $ to make the riddims, pay for the tape etc & he licensed the material to Greensleeves..

I-brow wrote:I think this is a peculiarly jamaican music issue and it's interesting to get opinions on that. Copyright specialists in the house ?


Its not really a JA specific issue, save for the way in which 'producers' operate - its pretty much music industry-wide..
No one gets songwriting credit / claim of ownership on a tune by being the mix engineer.
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Postby Rosko » Fri May 20, 2005 10:53 am

Interesting case...

I wonder what Scientist's royalty rate was for the original release? I mean, the songs were released on an album with his name on the cover, so I wonder at which point the judge figured he gave up ownership of the songs.

Impossible to believe that he received neither songwriting or performance royalties for the original album...
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Postby t-woc » Fri May 20, 2005 11:25 am

Bummer, the license on those tunes for GTA would proabably be worth more then all the records ever sold with his name on.. I definetly think if an engineer has contributed artisticaly to the recording, he should receive a % of the dough/dredits
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Postby ephteeay » Fri May 20, 2005 11:31 am

are dreadits what rastas call them?
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Postby Pluto » Fri May 20, 2005 11:53 am

The tracks were produced by the renowned Henry 'Junjo' Laws, and had been reportedly licensed by him to Greensleeves. All five tracks, Dance Of The Vampires, The Mummy's Shroud, The Corpse Rises, Your Teeth In My Neck, and Plague Of Zombies, were mixed at King Tubby's Studios back then.

Both Lawes and King Tubby are deceased, so that meant that Browne's claims could not be validated.


Greensleeves' Managing Director, Chris Sedgwick, claimed that the company went to trial because Browne's claims were unreasonable.

"Basically, Scientist was claiming to own copyrights in songs and recordings as a result of being the mixing engineer. Although we always felt these claims were ridiculous, we had to defend ourselves all the way to trial and are delighted to have got the right result," he said in a release.


That's a rip-off obviously. Of course Scientist should at least be credited for engineering/mixing these tracks. It's like saying that an electronica act who has released a set of remixes of other people's tracks should not get any royalties from it. After all if Scientist's role was as trivial as Greensleeves' people claim why were the records credited to him on the front cover? It seems in JA business, if you're not the producer of the tracks as well (like Lee Perry), it's most likely that you'll get mis-treated. Which brings the question - do King Tubby/Prince Jammy/Scientist etc. receive any royalties for the stuff that's put out with their names in the title in various labels? Or is it only the producer that gets it all?

Scientist's dubs became very popular with that video game, it's a pity he won't see a dime out of it...
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Postby Reuben » Fri May 20, 2005 11:56 am

This is interesting, although Scientist wasn't the producer or writer of the tracks he did make them his own with them mixes and especialy on that album and they are distinctly Scientist. If you was to play any of the tracks of that album to someone and they asked about it you would say that it is Scientist.
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Postby Chocolate Soldier » Fri May 20, 2005 12:12 pm

I have just heard that apparently Scientist did have an artist /royalty worked out later on with Greensleeves for those albums,
Apparently the issues / possible motives with this case are more complicated,
Still IMO - an unwise move to take it all to court, there was no way to win.
And usually mixers, studio musicians, mastering engineers, etc etc who may play a role in the sound of the end result / may even contribute ideas etc don't get a cut of the pie beyond whatever fee they got for their work..
not only the reggae biz but in all other genres too.
As for King Tubby's estate getting royalties on all the albums that bear his image / mixes etc - well, what do you think?
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Postby t-woc » Fri May 20, 2005 12:18 pm

just thought i'd slip that one in ephteeay
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