What Shaka Sey to Dem!!! and they dont like it

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What Shaka Sey to Dem!!! and they dont like it

Postby humble » Fri Jan 05, 2007 5:58 pm

It’s a warrior time, if you want to survive. Daily harrassment of all kinds, the feeling of not being free to walk the streets; Shaka’s answer, in the face of any argument, is repatriation to Africa.

"It’s a complete solution. With the knowledge we’ve got over the years, we know the task. We are not fighting to stay here. If I was to meet with the head of the National Front, it would solve a lot of problems."*


As quoted by Shaka in 1980 interview Vivean Goldman.


Now John Eden responded to this quote in the "Shake the foundations magazen" in July 9th 2001 by saying;


I don't know if Shaka still believes this, or whether it was just a flippant comment at the time. I find it a bit disturbing, personally. As someone who is white and who has also had the misfortune of having to deal with aggression from far right headcases, I am confused by this. Meeting with people who wish to exterminate you is a bad idea, unless the meeting takes place on your terms. I think that such a meeting is unlikely to be beneficial whilst we live in a society where institutional racism is rife. As far as I know, nothing beneficial came from the meetings between the Nation of Islam and the American Nazi Party in the 1960s.

This also raises some interesting questions about the idea of an exodus to Africa - would the rest of us just be left to deal with fascist tyranny? If the exodus is done in agreement with the far right, what happens to people who don't want to go? If the exodus to Africa one way of solving the "problems" that neo-nazis see in this society what should happen to those who do not have such an obvious "homeland", who are also seen as being "problematic" like homosexuals, communists, and those of mixed race? Is it just selfishness on my part to want people to stay and fight against a society which has thrived on slavery, racism and oppression?

If anyone has seen any subsequent quotes from Shaka which shed some light on this, then please get in touch.


John Eden, Shake The Foundations, 9th July 2001



My comment is what was John Eden trying to get at or what was he trying to imply.

I feel Shaka said nothing he been saying from the time He flinged down he very first dub on the turntable.

I mean why is John upset. This is no time to be lovey dovey. This is a time when warriors must wake up cause it is their time. Whether you want to accecpt the truth or not.

As Linton Cooper says in the classic Studio 1 tune " You will get your pay ACCORDING TO THE WORKS YOU DO!!!!!


Gwan Shaka!!!!!!!!
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Postby DrSuperlove » Fri Jan 05, 2007 6:10 pm

oh for... away with all this mindless rasta-cliche mongering parading as spirituality, it's old, it's naff and unnecessary - and john eden has a valid point that he states calmly

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Postby John Eden » Fri Jan 05, 2007 7:07 pm

For me, that statement is quite clear. I am not "upset" by Shaka's statement nor do I think the solution to our problems lies in calling people to be "lovey dovey".

I personally feel that the best way to combat fascism is for black and white people to unite and fight it physically and politically. Is that "warrior" enough for you?

I also feel that cutting a deal with neo-nazis around repatriation (if that is what is being suggested) is quite a bad tactical error as their "repatriation" in the past has consisted of transporting people to death camps.
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Postby southlondonstephen » Fri Jan 05, 2007 8:25 pm

I disagree. I think all people should be, in the words of the great black man Otis Redding: "Lovey dovey all the time" !!!!!!!!!!!!
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Postby Walker » Fri Jan 05, 2007 9:03 pm

Superlove, i love you

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Postby StepDubStep » Sat Jan 06, 2007 1:24 am

Jah Shaka overstands that it's a universal tribulation we all face, rich and poor, black and white, gay and straight, hateful or loving. It's a tribulation of the heart first and foremost. I have often wondered if repatriation to Africa is a symbol for the Zion Train and nothing more truly. It would make more sense, as I don't believe the battle is fought on a physical or even mental level, but a spiritual one. Only Jah can bring this Iration full circle. We are called to strive for peace with God, and peace with man then falls into place. But the peace we all cry out for won't happen by staying and fighting. See you in Zion.
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Postby jethrocker » Sat Jan 06, 2007 2:02 am

StepDubStep wrote:Jah Shaka overstands that it's a universal tribulation we all face, rich and poor, black and white, gay and straight, hateful or loving. It's a tribulation of the heart first and foremost. I have often wondered if repatriation to Africa is a symbol for the Zion Train and nothing more truly. It would make more sense, as I don't believe the battle is fought on a physical or even mental level, but a spiritual one. Only Jah can bring this Iration full circle. We are called to strive for peace with God, and peace with man then falls into place. But the peace we all cry out for won't happen by staying and fighting. See you in Zion.


But does Shakas reference to meeting the head of the NF, and his direct reference to repatriation as a solution, not suggest that he is to be taken literally here?
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Postby arty » Sat Jan 06, 2007 2:04 am

StepDubStep, i love you.

Let's reason together...

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Postby StepDubStep » Sat Jan 06, 2007 2:26 am

The feeling's mutual Arty. Anytime. :D

Jeth, I think Shaka does take it literally. I don't think much about repatriation to Africa for myself. Maybe I don't know enough about why it's so important. I love Jah Shaka for his devotion to the music in a spiritual way, using it as an instrument of worship and message. I think Jah Shaka knows that even if he never reached Africa on a physical level, it would have no effect on his standings with Jah. And if he did(I know he has)on a physical level, the act in and of itself is not what truly comforts and heals spiritually. I think it's a symbolic thing. A heavyweight thing nonetheless.
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Postby jumpingmaster » Sat Jan 06, 2007 8:10 am

roots, herbs and thing...

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Postby iriedaily » Sat Jan 06, 2007 9:29 am

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Postby tim.p » Sat Jan 06, 2007 10:18 am

Only a fool would think that entering into an alliance with Nazis and Fascists could bring anything positive.
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Postby southlondonstephen » Sat Jan 06, 2007 10:43 am

Walker wrote:Superlove, i love you

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Postby Chocolate Soldier » Sat Jan 06, 2007 10:55 am

John Eden wrote:
I also feel that cutting a deal with neo-nazis around repatriation (if that is what is being suggested) is quite a bad tactical error as their "repatriation" in the past has consisted of transporting people to death camps.



Excellent point of brilliance above!

Anyway , I don't see what the problem is with JE's musings?

Seems a reasonable train of thought to me considering the statements & ideas posed..

IMVHO on the whole Rasta scene there's not enough creative thinking going on or room for debate - every utterance must be automatically met with loud 'YES RASTA JAAAHHHHHHH' s of agreeance - its like George Bush 'Either you're with us or you're against us!' - A or B , no shades of grey or nuance...

But anyway....

I don't think Shaka seriously meant for the bredrin to sit down and cut a deal with the NF - I'm sure it was just some random weed fuelled cynical Rasta commentary on the times, eg: 'hey they want to get rid of us and we want to go to Africa, so let's make a deal!'...
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Postby iriedaily » Sat Jan 06, 2007 11:02 am

So you a Nazi now Choco? :roll:
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