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calling the hip hop experts for some advice

Postby informer » Wed Dec 29, 2004 8:58 am

here comes a lis of hiphop albums rated as "great".

could someone do me a favour and give me some titles from this
list which are groovy and melodic and may have nice female background voices ? and where the mc has a cool voice that doesn't distract from the music .....

(no hardcore gangsta rapper **** please)

1. It Takes A Nation of Millions To Hold Us Back - Public Enemy
2. Raising Hell - Run DMC
3. Pauls Boutique - Beastie Boys
4. Paid In Full - Eric B. & Rakim
5. 3 Feet High And Rising - De La Soul
6. The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill - Lauryn Hill
7. The Low End Theory - A Tribe Called Quest
8. Straight Outta Compton - N.W.A.
9. Criminal Minded - Boogie Down Productions
10. Illmatic - Nas
11. All Eyez on Me - 2pac
12. The Chronic - Dr. Dre
13. All Hail The Queen - Queen Latifah
14. Ready To Die - Notorious B.I.G.
15. Aquemini - Outkast
16. King of Rock - Run DMC
17. Radio - LL Cool J
18. The Blueprint - Jay-Z
19. The Marshall Mathers LP - Eminem
20. The Score - The Fugees
21. Me Against the World - 2 pac
22. Whats the 411 - Mary J. Blige
23. Enter The Wu-Tang (36 Chambers) - Wu Tang Clan
24. Baduizm - Erykah Badu
25. Crazy Sexxy Cool - TLC
26. Things Fall Apart - The Roots
27. The Message - Grandmaster Flash & The Furious Five
28. Run DMC - Run DMC
29. O.G. Original Gangster - Ice T
30. Supa Dupa Fly - Missy Elliott
31. License To Ill - Beastie Boys
32. Blacks Magic - Salt-N-Pepa
33. Midnight Maruaders - A Tribe Called Quest
34. Fear of A Black Planet - Public Enemy
35. Black Star - Mos Def
36. Kurtis Blow- Kurtis Blow
37. Mama Said Knock You Out - LL Cool J
38. Lyte As A Rock - MC Lyte
39. Reasonable Doubt - Jay-Z
40. He's the DJ , I'm The Rapper - DJ Jazzy Jeff & The Fresh Prince
41. The Great Adventures of Slick Rick - Slick Rick
42. Follow the Leader - Eric B. & Rakim
43. Daily Operation - Gang Starr
44. Planet Rock - Afrika Bambatta
45. Mantronix : The Album - Mantronix
46. KRS-One - KRS-One
47. Doggystyle - Snoopdogg
48. Stankonia - Outkast
49. Please Hammer, Don't Hurt Em - MC Hammer
50. Life After Death - Notorious B.I.G.
51. The College Dropout - Kanye West
52. Like Water For Chocolate - Common
53. Oh My God - Doug E. Fresh
54. Sex Packets - Digital Underground
55. Reachin' ( A New Refutation of Time and Space) - Digable Planets
56. Stetsasonic - In Full Gear
57. Under Construction - Missy Elliott
58. AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted - Ice Cube
59. The Cactus Album - 3rd Bass
60. The Fat Boys - The Fat Boys
61. 3 Years , 5 Days , and 2 Months in the Life of... - Arrested Development
62. It Was Written - Nas
63. By All Means Necessary - Boogie Down Productions
64. Speakerboxx/The Love Below - Outkast
65. The Slim Shady LP - Eminem
66. Phrenology - The Roots
67. Its Dark and Hell is Hot - DMX
68. Big Tyme - Heavy D. & The Boyz
69. The Iceberg/Freedom of Speech...Just Watch What You Say - Ice T
70. Quality Control - Jurassic 5
71. Escape - Whodini
72. Straight Out the Jungle - The Jungle Brothers
73. Hello Nasty - Beastie Boys
74. Let There Be Eve...Ruff Ryders First Lady - Eve
75. Mama's Gun - Erykah Badu
76. Strictly Business - EPMD
77. Hot Cool & Vicious - Salt-N-Pepa
78. Hardcore - Lil' Kim
79. Apocolypse 91...The Enemy Strikes Back - Public Enemy
80. De La Soul Is Dead - De La Soul
81. People's Instinctive Travels and The Paths of Rhythm - A Tribe Called Quest
82. One For All - Brand Nubian
83. Ghetto Music: The Blueprint of Hip-Hop - Boogie Down Productions
84. Cypress Hill - Cypress Hill
85. Bizarre Ride II the Pharcyde - Pharcyde
86. How Ya Like Me Now - Kool Moe Dee
87. In My Lifetime Volume 1 - Jay-Z
88. Black on Both Sides - Mos Def
89. No More Drama - Mary J. Blige
90. Nellyville - Nelly
91. The Coming - Busta Rhymes
92. Goin' Off - Biz Markie
93. Black Pearl - Yo-Yo
94. Loc-ed After Dark - Tone Loc
95. Check Your Head - Beastie Boys
96. Death Certificate - Ice Cube
97. Homebase - DJ Jazzy Jeff & The Fresh Prince
98. Miss E... So Addictive - Missy Elliott
99. Step In The Arena - Gang Starr
100. Chicken-N-Beer - Ludacris

and another 100 "underrated":

1. '93 Til Infinity - Souls of Mischief
2. Breaking Atoms - Main Source
3. Uptown Saturday Night - Camp Lo
4. No One Can Do It Better - The D.O.C.
5. I Wish My Brother George Was Here - Del the Funkee Homosapien
6. A Wolf In Sheep's Clothing - Black Sheep
7. Illadelph Halflife - The Roots
8. The Most Beautifullest Thing In This World - Keith Murray
9. Here Come the Lords - Lords of the Underground
10. Foundation - Brand Nubian
11. Thug Life - Thug Life
12. Tougher than Leather - Run DMC
13. Capital Punishment - Big Pun
14. Eyes On This - MC Lyte
15. Mecca and the Soul Brother - Pete Rock & CL Smooth
16. Comin' Out Hard - Eightball & MJG
17. Business Never Personal - EPMD
18. ATLiens - Outkast
19. Eazy Duz It - Eazy E
20. The Love Movement - A Tribe Called Quest
21. Da Art of Storytellin' - Slick Rick
22. Liquid Swords - GZA/Genius
23. The Fix - Scarface
24. Watermelon, Chicken, & Grits - Nappy Roots
25. And the Winner Is... - Chubb Rock
26. Still Standing - Goodie MOB
27. Quik Is the Name - DJ Quik
28. Enta Da Stage - Black Moon
29. Derelicts of Dialect - 3rd Bass
30. Station Identification - Channel Live
31. Done By the Forces of Nature - Jungle Brothers
32. Poverty's Paradise - Naughty By Nature
33. Dere Iz A Dark Side - Redman
34. Sun Rises In the East - Jeru Da Damaja
35. Runaway Slave - Showbiz & A.G.
36. Deltron 3030 - Deltron 3030
37. Soul Food - Goodie MOB
38. Dr. Octagonecologyst - Dr. Octogon
39. Gorillaz - Gorillaz
40. Aziatic - AZ
41. Bacdafucup - Onyx
42. 21 and Over - Tha Alkaholiks
43. Ain't A Damn Thing Changed - Nice & Smooth
44. Lost Tapes - Nas
45. Tical - Method Man
46. A Future Without A Past - Leaders of the New School
47. Blue Funk - Heavy D and the Boyz
48. Organized Konfusion - Organized Konfusion
49. The Master - Rakim
50. Kollage - Bahamadia
51. Jazzmatazz, Vol. 1 - Guru
52. War Report - Capone-N-Noreaga
53. 613: Ashy to Classy - Field Mob
54. Ironman - Ghostface Killah
55. Trap Muzik - T.I.
56. The Album - Questionmark Asylum
57. Do You Want More?!? - The Roots
58. Scorpion - Eve
59. Same As It Ever Was - House of Pain
60. Ain't No Shame In My Game - Candyman
61. The Natural - Mic Geronimo
62. Stone Cold Rhymin' - Young MC
63. No Mercy - Da Youngstas
64. Escape - Whodini
65. Internal Affairs - Pharoach Monche
66. Holy Intellect - Poor Righteous Teachers
67. Kwame: The Boy Genius - Featuring A New Beginning-Kwame
68. A Prince Among Theives - Prince Paul
69. Thugs Are Us - Trick Daddy
70. The Ruler's Back - Slick Rick
71. 400 Degreez - Juvenile
72. Taste of Chocolate - Big Daddy Kane
73. Guerillas In the Mist - Da Lench Mob
74. Sleeping With the Enemy - Paris
75. Steal This Album - The Coup
76. Shock of the Hour - MC Ren
77. The 18th Letter - Rakim
78. Dead Serious - Das EFX
79. Home - Spearhead
80. Sons of the P - Digital Underground
81. Youngest In Charge - Special Ed
82. No Pressure - Erick Sermon
83. Fantastic, Vol. 2 - Slum Village
84. Philadelphia Freeway - Freeway
85. First Family 4 Life - M.O.P.
86. Tarantula - Mystikal
87. Broken Silence - Foxy Brown
88. Industry Shakedown - Bumpy Knuckles (Freddie Foxxx)
89. Blowout Comb - Digable Planets
90. Behind the Front - The Black Eyed Peas
91. Fruits of Nature - U.M.C.s
92. Hello Nasty - the Beastie Boys
93. 2nd II None - 2nd II None
94. Gravity - Da Bush Babees
95. Dah Shinin' - Smif-N-Wessun
96. Cee-Lo Green Is the Soul Machine - Cee-Lo
97. The Skills to Pay the Bills - Positive K
98. Jealous One's Envy - Fat Joe
99. The Ecleftic: II Sides to a Book - Wyclef Jean
100. Close To You - Father MC

thanks in advance !!!
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Re: calling the hip hop experts for some advice

Postby RootzKilla » Wed Dec 29, 2004 9:45 am

I'am not a hip hop expert but I listen some jazzy funky one and I can recommended to You Queen Latifah, Monie Love, Roxane Shante, Rakim, LL Cool J, Heavy D, Run Dmc, Public Enemy, Beastie Boys, Grandmaster Flash not everything is good from them but it depends on your taste :-)
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based on ur criteria....

Postby ganja lion » Wed Dec 29, 2004 10:32 am

Off your list, which is probably the worst list i've ever seen compiled on great hip hop albums, here's what i think u'll dig....the ones in bold are ones with somewhat of a reggae influence and personal favs...


5. 3 Feet High And Rising - De La Soul
6. The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill - Lauryn Hill
7. The Low End Theory - A Tribe Called Quest
15. Aquemini - Outkast
20. The Score - The Fugees
26. Things Fall Apart - The Roots
33. Midnight Maruaders - A Tribe Called Quest
35. Black Star - Mos Def
46. KRS-One - KRS-One
52. Like Water For Chocolate - Common
55. Reachin' ( A New Refutation of Time and Space) - Digable Planets
61. 3 Years , 5 Days , and 2 Months in the Life of... - Arrested Development
64. Speakerboxx/The Love Below - Outkast
66. Phrenology - The Roots
70. Quality Control - Jurassic 5
72. Straight Out the Jungle - The Jungle Brothers
80. De La Soul Is Dead - De La Soul
81. People's Instinctive Travels and The Paths of Rhythm - A Tribe Called Quest
82. One For All - Brand Nubian
85. Bizarre Ride II the Pharcyde - Pharcyde
88. Black on Both Sides - Mos Def
9. Step In The Arena - Gang Starr


and another 100 "underrated":

1. '93 Til Infinity - Souls of Mischief
3. Uptown Saturday Night - Camp Lo
5. I Wish My Brother George Was Here - Del the Funkee Homosapien
7. Illadelph Halflife - The Roots
10. Foundation - Brand Nubian
15. Mecca and the Soul Brother - Pete Rock & CL Smooth
18. ATLiens - Outkast
20. The Love Movement - A Tribe Called Quest
22. Liquid Swords - GZA/Genius
26. Still Standing - Goodie MOB

28. Enta Da Stage - Black Moon
34. Sun Rises In the East - Jeru Da Damaja
36. Deltron 3030 - Deltron 3030
37. Soul Food - Goodie MOB
38. Dr. Octagonecologyst - Dr. Octogon

39. Gorillaz - Gorillaz
48. Organized Konfusion - Organized Konfusion
50. Kollage - Bahamadia
51. Jazzmatazz, Vol. 1 - Guru
57. Do You Want More?!? - The Roots
68. A Prince Among Theives - Prince Paul
75. Steal This Album - The Coup
79. Home - Spearhead
89. Blowout Comb - Digable Planets
94. Gravity - Da Bush Babees
95. Dah Shinin' - Smif-N-Wessun
96. Cee-Lo Green Is the Soul Machine - Cee-Lo
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Postby informer » Wed Dec 29, 2004 10:50 am

thanks for the advice so far.

will check some titles in 2005 ...
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Postby NannyMaroon » Wed Dec 29, 2004 6:36 pm

Digable Planets were verry mellow, jazzy, and had a womyn MC, both albums highyly rec
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Postby k zar » Wed Dec 29, 2004 6:54 pm

plenty of classics there from 93-94 new york you should check out that aren't melodic nor jazzy, but some production that has yet to be matched....this one's game over:

Liquid Swords - GZA/Genius
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Postby will-I » Wed Dec 29, 2004 7:23 pm

5. 3 Feet High And Rising - De La Soul.......... classic
6. The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill - Lauryn Hill .......female soulfull....
7. The Low End Theory - A Tribe Called Quest.....classic jazz style
9. Criminal Minded - Boogie Down Productions .......lyrics....beats
20. The Score - The Fugees ........classic....female...combinations
24. Baduizm - Erykah Badu .........I love her.....
26. Things Fall Apart - The Roots......get all of their albums
33. Midnight Maruaders - A Tribe Called Quest ...more classic jazzy style
35. Black Star - Mos Def....mos & talib a match made in heaven.. vol2?...
42. Follow the Leader - Eric B. & Rakim ....Lyrics&flow&beats....
43. Daily Operation - Gang Starr .....classic....conscious...beats
48. Stankonia - Outkast.......innovative......
52. Like Water For Chocolate - Common....a masterpiece!!!
66. Phrenology - The Roots...not their best but good
75. Mama's Gun - Erykah Badu..modern retro styled soul masterpiece
80. De La Soul Is Dead - De La Soul ...comedy..skits...fun
81. People's Instinctive Travels and The Paths of Rhythm.... more of the same as previous
83. Ghetto Music: The Blueprint of Hip-Hop.....Classic lyrics and beats
88. Black on Both Sides - Mos Def ....start to end masterpiece
99. Step In The Arena - Gang Starr...same as previous



7. Illadelph Halflife - The Roots...get em all
15. Mecca and the Soul Brother - Pete Rock & CL Smooth..funk and soul nods
20. The Love Movement - A Tribe Called Quest..even more of the same
31. Done By the Forces of Nature - Jungle Brothers.....good stuff
51. Jazzmatazz, Vol. 1 - Guru....get all the jazzmatazz volumes
57. Do You Want More?!? - The Roots....the roots r the best that it gets period
79. Home - Spearhead.....very underrated album
83. Fantastic, Vol. 2 - Slum Village......good album
94. Gravity - Da Bush Babees .....has its moments....


more recommendations:

Reflection Eternal - Talib Qweli & DJ Hi-tek.....some of my favorite beats start to end masterpiece, dj Hi-Tek is awesome...distinctive
Blackalicious - Blazing Arrow....Awesome...some roots productions here
Mood - Doom....DJ Hi-Tek productions to b found here good lyrics too pretty spacy in some places
De La Soul - The Grind Date..killer...just get all the de la out there not a bad one I can think of
Urban Thermo Dynamics - Manifest Destiny....Mos Def debut and Bro & Sis...reminiscent of cypress hill in an odd way but better
Little Brother - The Listening....Awesome beats and soul in strange places
Ali Shaheed Muhammad - Shaheedullah & Stereotypes...Tribe called quest's beat-smith very forward thinking productions...

There are more of course

I always like productions from the roots (questlove etc...)
beats by Hi-Tek,and just about anything that Mos Def has done.

Good Luck its a vast musical expanse all over again....
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Postby Anonymous » Wed Dec 29, 2004 8:07 pm

Albums from that list that you MUST own:

1. It Takes A Nation of Millions To Hold Us Back - Public Enemy
4. Paid In Full - Eric B. & Rakim
5. 3 Feet High And Rising - De La Soul
9. Criminal Minded - Boogie Down Productions
10. Illmatic - Nas (this one fits your laid back criteria and then some!)
23. Enter The Wu-Tang (36 Chambers) - Wu Tang Clan (a great debut that was never bettered IMO)
33. Midnight Maruaders - A Tribe Called Quest(another laid back, jazzy, funky classic)
46. KRS-One - KRS-One(not his greatest album but solid, plus I'm a KRS One mark)
59. The Cactus Album - 3rd Bass (seriously underrated - MC Serch went on to become involved in Wild Pitch records and helped to discover Main Source, OC etc)
63. By All Means Necessary - Boogie Down Productions (KRS One again, classic - Stop The Violence, Jack Of Spades, I'm Still #1 - they're all here)
70. Quality Control - Jurassic 5(a wonderful feel good album that is heavily influenced by the early 80s crews)
82. One For All - Brand Nubian (THE album of the early 90s IMO)
83. Ghetto Music: The Blueprint of Hip-Hop - Boogie Down Productions(KRS One again - nuff said!)
84. Cypress Hill - Cypress Hill
85. Bizarre Ride II the Pharcyde - Pharcyde (more laid back off the wall classic goodness)
88. Black on Both Sides - Mos Def (THE album of the late 90s)

2. Breaking Atoms - Main Source (UNDERRATED???? Which prick compiled this list? Essential, Large Professor on the mix and includes the first coming of Nasty Nas on "Live At The Barbeque")
4. No One Can Do It Better - The D.O.C. (Dr Dre's finest productions IMO, and the DOC had a wonderful chilled flow. Unfortunately had his career put on hold due to a bad car wreck).
5. I Wish My Brother George Was Here - Del the Funkee Homosapien (Demented - buy now)
9. Here Come the Lords - Lords of the Underground (I'm the lord chief rocka, number one chief rocka - Man I just love all this early 90s East Coast style)
15. Mecca and the Soul Brother - Pete Rock & CL Smooth (This guy who compiled this list isn't just a prick, he's obviously not a hip hop fan. Num ber one producer hooks up with talented MC for another early 90s classic)
34. Sun Rises In the East - Jeru Da Damaja (Gang Starr protege with skills, unfortunately never matched this debut but still remains an underground hero)
35. Runaway Slave - Showbiz & A.G. (Now this one could be called underrated as Show and AG were running things with this album back in 92/93 - part of the DITC(Diggin In The Crates) crew alongside Diamond D, Lord Finesse, etc)
42. 21 and Over - Tha Alkaholiks (my favourite album about beer ever! Talented West Coast crew, proteges of West Coast legend King Tee and featuring current rap superstar Xibit).
45. Tical - Method Man(The second best Wu solo joint from the mainstream Wu members)
66. Holy Intellect - Poor Righteous Teachers(another minor East Coast classic with heavy reggae influences, one tune samples Nitty Gritty's "Good Morning Teacher" to great effect)
91. Fruits of Nature - U.M.C.s (Another one that definitely falls under "Underrated", superb album on Wild Pitch full of 60s soul and jazz samples and hooks)


There's many albums that I've missed, simply as I never owned them or wasn't into them at the time - but these will keep you going.

Respect

Gordon
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Postby Anonymous » Wed Dec 29, 2004 8:09 pm

Damn, what sort of list is that? Just noticed "Heavy Mental" by Killah Priest(from the Wu Tang sub's bench) isn't on there.

That's another must have, mellow and deeper than deep.

Respect

Gordon
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Postby Ekki » Wed Dec 29, 2004 10:04 pm

I wouldn't rate Erykah Badu as Hip Hop, she's doing soul music and modern R & B, the 2 albums in the list are very nice!
Very much female vocals :lol:
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Postby NannyMaroon » Wed Dec 29, 2004 10:17 pm

Glad to see Mood get some reprazentation, they were from my hometown.

Also worth checkin is Roots Manuva for yardie/reggae/dubwise hiphop experience. Some pretty good chunes dehya
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Postby Anonymous » Wed Dec 29, 2004 11:18 pm

Good call re: Roots Manuva Nanny.

Also on a similar UK tip, check Blak Twang, Rodney P and Demon Boyz from back in the day.

Respect

Gordon
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Postby Aaron » Wed Dec 29, 2004 11:26 pm

Another British Entry: Last year's Upward by Ty. Uniformally excellent danceable hip-hop/r&b. One track features Big Dada labelmate R. Manuva. Nominated for Mercury Music Award.

Compilations of Rawkus Records called Soundbombing I and II. Adventurous, dextrous and funny New York hip to the hop.

I love Roots' Run Come Save Me and it dub counterpart Dub Come Save Me. Where's the followup?
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Postby k zar » Wed Dec 29, 2004 11:31 pm

can't say i'm a fan of erykah badu. i'd go for bahamadia instead....what ever happened to her anyway?
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Postby Ekki » Wed Dec 29, 2004 11:34 pm

I never was much into hip hop, but here's an album that I still think is great (I'm playing right now):

MC 900 Ft Jesus - Welcome To My Dream (Play It Again Sam 1991)

"The City Sleeps" is hilarious!
The album is funky, jazzy, groovy, has great lyrics - the perfect angst laden male inner city blues of the early 90's (NO female background vocals except the last song).
Check it out here:
http://www.theendoftheworld.org/900/dream.shtml
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