Earliest Jamaican 12" Single?

[adrians wall]

Does anyone know what this is?

I have a friend who recently came across an Australian 12" single from early (Jan or Feb) 1971 and he was wondering if it might be one of the first 12" 45rpm records. I know that I have an Alton Ellis 12" that says 1971 on the label (Going back to Africa/Lord Deliver Us on Mistic) when the 7" version original came out in 1970 but I was wondering if there are any earlier 12" 45rpm releases?

Any info greatly appreciated.

[dubstar]

one thing to consider is that JA labels did not always use current print stock; therefore the dates are not always accurate on the labels...

[marko]

Depends what kind of 12" you are talking, there are all kinds of acetate, private press and 'audiophile' oddities out there but if you are talking about an official release extended mix 45 RPM format this was of course a creation of US disco around 1975, my understanding is that Jamaican 12"s didn't appear until after this time.

[kalcidis]

The first JA-released one if I've understood it correct was a one-sided LTD/Charmers release or the Jayes.

I can find a reference to the Jayes here:
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=39478

Can't find anything about that Charmers 12" though.

[kalcidis]

Found it:
https://www.discogs.com/Lloyd-Charmers- ... se/2453883

[johnnyB]

Double Exposure’s 1976 “Ten Percent” was the first commercially available 12” single ever. Tom Moulton,the famous disco “mixer”,invented the format in late 1974 when running out of 7” acetates for Al Downing’s “I’ll be Holding On”. So there couldn’t be jamaican 12” singles before 1976.

[finbar]

Clive Chin once told me that there was a 12" that preceded the Charmers title that they sold at Randy's, but he couldn't remember the title. He said it was noteworthy because it was one-sided - the producer didn't think to put anything on the "B side".

[kalcidis]

Interesting. The Charmers 12" is one-sided.

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[credezcrew24]

That synth in the Lloyd Charmers 12" is awful

[Ranking Glasses]

Not quite answering the question but I inherited an elderly relative's collection which contained several ancient calypso / mento 78rpm 10" singles on the Caribou and other labels. They were from the early 1960's I believe. They disintegrated as I took them out of the bag.

[adrians wall]

So is it fair to assume that my Alton Ellis 12 is not from 1971 and instead a later repress which used old label stock?

https://www.discogs.com/Alton-Ellis-Lor ... se/5801063

[Reggie Love]

Very fair and safe to assume that I'd say. A bit more info about what is claimed to be the first 12 inch singles.
http://www.obsoletemedia.org/12-inch-single/

[marko]

Looks to me like that 12" came out in 1979 at the same time as the Mistic 7" reissue, there were a lot of 12" reissues of early reggae tunes coming out then so looks like Matador was just trying to cash in on that trend. If you look at early Mistic 7"s they don't have the Waltham Park address, yet the Lord Deliver Us 7" reissue from 79 has the address, same as the 12". BTW the 7" of that tune that I have is on Syndicate which was from 1970 so the 1971 date on the reissues is probably just Matador's copyright date.