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flashman wrote:I hate Spotify too. And not necessarily from a financial standpoint, but as a consumer of music. I think it is made for people who don't care about music, and helps groom new people to stop caring about music. I thought mp3 downloads made music more disposable than ever, but streaming doubles or triples that. The myth of the desirability of endless choice and convenience. It sounds crazy, I guess, but listening to music inconveniently is far more rewarding, because you make a conscious choice to listen to a discreet selection of songs released as a coherent unit. You put that effort in, and that immediately means you've taken a conscious interest in what you're doing. If you just type in a genre and stream **** and are happy with that, then you don't really care, it seems to me. Streaming and or ipod shuffling is good when you can't do it any other way, like during travel, camping, etc.
Somehow, I don't guess the younger generation feels this way. I could be wrong and it just seems this way to me because I grew up in a different era. I do sometimes hate the fact that two of my lifelong favorite activities: going to record stores and book stores, and buying physical items, seems to be something that has died or is dying. It was way more fun and exciting to stumble on some record you'd never heard of in a used shop, then to go on eBay and You tube and find damn near everything that exists. The hyper availability of everything is somehow nowhere near as gratifying to me as it seems like it would be.
guillaumebougard wrote:For a song streamed (not sold), Spotify pays about one hundredth of a cent!!!!
So Spotify, Deezers, and so forth are the big a$$hole$
I make good money selling music on itunes
Spotify pays me $hit and I f$cking hate them
adrians wall wrote:The simple answer is exposure, putting music out there for free gets you known by people who would have otherwise passed over your music. I will use the example of Randy Valentine, he released his album online for free from his website, I downloaded it and enjoyed some of the tunes, when I saw his name on a 7" a year or 2 later on out of the hundred or so tunes in the box I was digging through his tune was one of the ones I selected to go and have a listen to. Had I not have downloaded that album for free I wouldn't have pulled his tune out of the box to listen to and in the end buy. Now weather he actually made any money from me buying that 7" is another matter but Id like to think that he got more than if I had simply streamed it off youtube.
adrians wall wrote: I also think that online web stores have massively increased the numbers of consumers who actually have access to the music and as such increases the number of sales.
Reggaemusicstore wrote:adrians wall wrote: I also think that online web stores have massively increased the numbers of consumers who actually have access to the music and as such increases the number of sales.
That's incorrect Adrian, certainly when it comes to the claim of increasing sales. It's theoretically true that more people now may have easier opportunities to buy reggae given the increase in online stores but the sales figures don't point to any increase - in fact the opposite is true, they're falling. There was a discussion on one of the radio shows about 10 years ago, can't remember which one it was though I think it was a London station. Mad Professor was one of the guests and he was talking about how in the 80's any 12" single he released sold a minimum of 20,000 copies, going on to say that if it got played on Rodigan's show that would guarantee an extra 2000 sales, the same with Tony Williams show on Radio London etc. When it comes to vinyl singles now most labels are pressing in the region of 500 copies, you'll get the odd tune here and there that might do 1000 or more but generally that's the level of pressing runs, and that doesn't even guarantee they'll all sell. I've spoken to producers of some good modern tunes who've pressed 500 and only sold half that quantity after a few months. I honestly don't know where people get the idea of vinyl sales increasing from, maybe they are in some genres but they certainly aren't in reggae. I was involved in a discussion about this on Facebook a while ago and someone was trying to use tunes like Dubkasm's Victory to argue that sales were increasing but tunes like that are the exception not the rule. Another thing to bear in mind is that now we've got a plethora of online stores, how many copies of most tunes do you think they're selling when there are so many other sellers all trying to sell the same limited number of copies?
jb welda wrote:"main big distributors"
I really think anyone pressing up 500 copies of a 7" is going to essentially distribute them himself. I wouldn't think any "main big distributors" are going to bother themselves with numbers that small.
unless you are talking about ernie b, or reggaemusicstore, or dub vendor, who else is there who distributes reggae music on this level?
not to speak for them, but I doubt any of them want to sit on 500 copies that may or may not sell...they want them gone in batches and hence you get your competition at the next step in the chain to the ultimate buyer.
or is that not the way it works?