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Re: What tunes would you play in a sound clash?

Postby KingSimeonSound » Sat Jan 11, 2014 8:39 pm

I know that a number of yard artists including Red Rose (and maybe Jammys, will have to confirm) passed through a certain London studio to record some specials, during which time Slaughter was played along with a number of riddims to work specials on. Soon after they returned to yard… and soon after everybody new about Tempo.

It's just how it goes in music, not accusing anyone of anything, but the Dixie Peach vocal & riddim came first.
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Re: What tunes would you play in a sound clash?

Postby kalcidis » Sat Jan 11, 2014 9:24 pm

So Red Rose passed by London in '84/'85 heard Slaughter, went back to JA, recorded it for Tubbs who then released it. While in the UK they saw Tempo boom up and still waited until '86 to release their original cut? It sounds a bit far fetched to be honest and more like something I'd expect to hear from a person who was affiliated with JTS/Dixie P. I might be wrong but it would really astound me if it was an earlier recording.
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Re: What tunes would you play in a sound clash?

Postby KingSimeonSound » Sat Jan 11, 2014 9:43 pm

As far as I know Slaughter was a special and never meant for release, hence it wasn't a case of holding on to it/not releasing, it was only taken out with the sound.

Your logic is correct; it would be very strange as you say, but your logic is just not accurate as to the actual situation. You must know these things happen all the time and plenty of times I've heard tunes that sound very similar to other tunes, or that use a particular structure or melody. It's just music and people, not always with ruthless intention.
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Re: What tunes would you play in a sound clash?

Postby message_music » Sat Jan 11, 2014 9:45 pm

id jus prefer to here the sounds try and mash eachother with lots of dubplates and weight ! no need for crappy soundboy lyrics
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Re: What tunes would you play in a sound clash?

Postby Living Bate » Sat Jan 11, 2014 10:02 pm

message_music wrote:id jus prefer to here the sounds try and mash eachother with lots of dubplates and weight ! no need for crappy soundboy lyrics


dubplates where you hear about 5 seconds of it before its just a backward spinning CD........
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Re: What tunes would you play in a sound clash?

Postby Rootsman » Sun Jan 12, 2014 9:11 am

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Re: What tunes would you play in a sound clash?

Postby Rootsman » Sun Jan 12, 2014 9:13 am

kalcidis wrote:So Red Rose passed by London in '84/'85 heard Slaughter, went back to JA, recorded it for Tubbs who then released it. While in the UK they saw Tempo boom up and still waited until '86 to release their original cut? It sounds a bit far fetched to be honest and more like something I'd expect to hear from a person who was affiliated with JTS/Dixie P. I might be wrong but it would really astound me if it was an earlier recording.


Yup bang on, doesn't make sense. Slaughter came out about a year after Tempo. Anyway those Red Rose dubs on Tubbys riddims were voiced in JA and they also came after Tempo. Trust me, I was in the dance when they got played.
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Re: What tunes would you play in a sound clash?

Postby Vinnie » Sun Jan 12, 2014 9:27 am

i think the point kingsimeon wishes to make is it that the release date is not important but it was actually produced

since slaughter used to be run as dubplate only by sounds probably someone in the public picked up the riddim , made a similar one and released it before slaughter got officially released
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Re: What tunes would you play in a sound clash?

Postby Rootsman » Sun Jan 12, 2014 9:36 am

People are trying to rewrite history.
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Re: What tunes would you play in a sound clash?

Postby kalcidis » Sun Jan 12, 2014 11:18 am

Rootsman wrote:Yup bang on, doesn't make sense. Slaughter came out about a year after Tempo. Anyway those Red Rose dubs on Tubbys riddims were voiced in JA and they also came after Tempo. Trust me, I was in the dance when they got played.


Not sure how you mean. The Tempo rhythm (and/or different vocals on it) was being played in dances prior Red Rose's vocal was recorded for Tubbs?
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Re: What tunes would you play in a sound clash?

Postby Ranking Glasses » Sun Jan 12, 2014 1:23 pm

Just to change the "tempo".

Some live dubplate recordings:

Marcia Griffiths: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtjOUVepq5Y
Barrington Levy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytpXByBxmFE
Black Uhuru: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdyGVlcN7QE
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Re: What tunes would you play in a sound clash?

Postby beenie bongo » Sun Jan 12, 2014 1:46 pm

kalcidis wrote:
Rootsman wrote:Yup bang on, doesn't make sense. Slaughter came out about a year after Tempo. Anyway those Red Rose dubs on Tubbys riddims were voiced in JA and they also came after Tempo. Trust me, I was in the dance when they got played.


Not sure how you mean. The Tempo rhythm (and/or different vocals on it) was being played in dances prior Red Rose's vocal was recorded for Tubbs?


Dubplate or not, I really doubt the JTS/dixie peach version came out before King Tubby's or Jammys version.
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Re: What tunes would you play in a sound clash?

Postby KingSimeonSound » Sun Jan 12, 2014 2:04 pm

People know the JTS tune was released after Tempo, thats fact. Not all my recollections were spot on with regards to my conversation with some of those involved in the tune. But I'm certainly not trying to re-write history.. not trying to be sensational, though I get where it looks that way. Just interested in context and some history, how things were in those times. The fact was studios were making tunes 24/7 and with digital sounds and flavours that were in a similar vein.

The original riddim at JTS was voiced by a number of artists Yard and UK a while before Dixies. Personally, I can hear a similarity, but I would't say it was a Tempo cut. Dixies vocal plays on the Red Rose, and is more likely a take, since it was voiced later and gave the tune/riddim it's name.

My clash tune for now is No Competition - F McGregor… and then get back to playing what you wanted to play.
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Re: What tunes would you play in a sound clash?

Postby beenie bongo » Sun Jan 12, 2014 3:01 pm

KingSimeonSound wrote:People know the JTS tune was released after Tempo, thats fact. Not all my recollections were spot on with regards to my conversation with some of those involved in the tune. But I'm certainly not trying to re-write history.. not trying to be sensational, though I get where it looks that way. Just interested in context and some history, how things were in those times. The fact was studios were making tunes 24/7 and with digital sounds and flavours that were in a similar vein.


Indeed. It must have been really exciting to witness how digital sounds took the UK by storm under the influence of Unity, JTS, etc. I understand why the digital sounds/raggamuffin era developed so fast in Jamaica, but I'm still quite surprised with the way it developed in the UK.
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Re: What tunes would you play in a sound clash?

Postby Ranking Glasses » Sun Jan 12, 2014 4:49 pm

It wasn't only Unity / JTS in the UK. Don't forget artists like Andrew Paul.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0KT09WPRPI
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