Black Skull: The story you thought you knew

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Re: Black Skull: The story you thought you knew

Postby Peter Dalton » Thu Dec 26, 2013 3:33 pm

"Black Slavery Days" was also released as a 7" single on Hot Stuff, when it was titled "Bondage", with the dub side "Chains" credited to the Soulsville All Stars. The composing credit is to R. Thomas, while the only production credit is to Soulsville. The date on the label is 1976.
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Re: Black Skull: The story you thought you knew

Postby Vinnie » Thu Dec 26, 2013 5:28 pm

Peter Dalton wrote:"Black Slavery Days" was also released as a 7" single on Hot Stuff, when it was titled "Bondage", with the dub side "Chains" credited to the Soulsville All Stars. The composing credit is to R. Thomas, while the only production credit is to Soulsville. The date on the label is 1976.


yes but you are refering to the albumversion which is totally differeent from the 12" apart for the lyrics
BSD was also released on another different 12" but forgot the lable...
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Re: Black Skull: The story you thought you knew

Postby Peter Dalton » Thu Dec 26, 2013 6:25 pm

Thanks for the info, Vinnie. I didn't realise the 7" and 12" were different tunes, but then part of the joy of reggae is continually discovering something new!
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Re: Black Skull: The story you thought you knew

Postby Jack Johnson » Fri Dec 27, 2013 7:34 pm

the 7" is much harder imho...can't STAND lead electric guitars in roots music!! :x
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Re: Black Skull: The story you thought you knew

Postby ephteeay » Sat Dec 28, 2013 7:17 am

Jack Johnson wrote:the 7" is much harder imho...can't STAND lead electric guitars in roots music!! :x


Agreed.. Many great (mostly non-JA) tunes have been ruined by unnecessary lead guitars
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Re: Black Skull: The story you thought you knew

Postby edgar » Sat Dec 28, 2013 12:06 pm

I always thought the US 12'' was the original composition and the LP cut some sort of butchered/mangled cut. Also because the 12'' has more lyrics and stuff like that..Also because I once heard a live recording of a Jack ruby session (Ocho Rios early 80s) wher a dubplate cut of black slavery days was played..Sounded very much like the 12'' and not like the LP version

And there is also this..

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the B side is an alternative cut of black slavery days
thank you putting this on here- best reggae track ever, apart from most bob marley tracks
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Re: Black Skull: The story you thought you knew

Postby skunkride » Sat Dec 28, 2013 12:40 pm

Aren't the two 12" cuts exactly the same ?
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Re: Black Skull: The story you thought you knew

Postby Vinnie » Sat Dec 28, 2013 2:31 pm

skunkride wrote:Aren't the two 12" cuts exactly the same ?


i dont have both 12"s so i cant tell for sure but i heard 1 side only and it was not exactly the same mix

regarding the other cut
its difficult to compare since the 7" cut is a totally different riddim and with horns
personally i dont mind the guitar but thats another subject which already has been discussed on this forum
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Re: Black Skull: The story you thought you knew

Postby edgar » Sat Dec 28, 2013 7:54 pm

It's also on a greensleeves 12''.. same cut as the LP version..
thank you putting this on here- best reggae track ever, apart from most bob marley tracks
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Re: Black Skull: The story you thought you knew

Postby jb welda » Sun Dec 29, 2013 1:37 am

umm not sure about that greensleeves 12" if you mean this one:

gred21 ethiopian iration: this foundation/elders and deacons/how can a man/
jah children come
produced: clayton downie
recorded & mixed: treasure isle
by tuffy robinson
greensleeves dub master
1979

because I don't think this cut to the song is at all the same...very few if any vocals for one thing. I believe this foundation is the riddim dub cut. I don't think greensleeves ever issued this song any other way.

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Re: Black Skull: The story you thought you knew

Postby litelet » Sun Jan 05, 2014 9:15 pm

The greensleeves 12" is a dub version of the Jack Ruby cut. There is one another on the "playing golden memories" LP by Pablo.
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Re: Black Skull: The story you thought you knew

Postby Congo Bunny » Sun Jan 05, 2014 10:23 pm

This thread made me listen to the album the other night and it is an awesome album. I remeber reading in the rough guide to reggae that it was a jack ruby production, but not really hearing that when I listened to it. Listening the other night there is at least a nod to Jack Ruby's style. Was it the same musicians as he used?

This link kinda makes a mockery of all the Clappers crap written on the album cover. Didn't Clappers also release Beware without Yabby You's knowledge?
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Re: Black Skull: The story you thought you knew

Postby guillaumebougard » Wed Jan 08, 2014 12:38 pm

The album version is ten thousand times better than the 12" re-released recently.
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Re: Black Skull: The story you thought you knew

Postby ras2thebone » Wed Jan 08, 2014 1:07 pm

I have heard two different 12" versions. I remember thinking that the Two-Can 12" sounded substantially different with much more guitars. I too prefer the LP version, but not by much.
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