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Juck's Incorporation tracklisting help

Postby Ital Dokta » Mon Dec 20, 2004 1:34 am

Roots Archives & Reggae Riddims lists it like so:

Sitting With Stupid = Silvertones, Smile
Juck's Incorporation = Dawn Penn, You Don't Love Me No, No, No)
Grow With Your Own = Termites, My Last Love
Moving Dub = Ken Boothe, Moving Away
Skankers Incorporation = Gladiators, Mr. Baldwin
Theme A Ling = Heptones, Ting a Ling (version 1)
Gumbia Jump = ?
I A See = Count Ossie, Holy Mt. Zion
Garvey Night = ?
Dub Is The Answer = Slim Smith, Never Let You Go
King A Thing = Heptones, Ting a Ling (version 2)
Theme From The Scorcher = Lennie Hibbert, Real Hot
Untitled Track = ?

I've got a cdr copy that, matching by rhythms, follows this pretty accurately up until "Dub Is the Answer", the next track after that is a niyabinghi chant with the lines "come ya, come ya bingiman, come ya, come ya nyahman". Then it goes back on track with the second cut of Ting a Ling before ending with what sounds like a cut of Bob Andy's Unchained rhythm with keyboard overdubs. Definitely not a version of Real Hot.

Anyone know which tracks these two are? And what are the source rhythms for Gumbia Jump and Garvey Night, they don't sound familiar, perhaps they don't appear elsewhere?
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Postby Jackie Pablo » Mon Dec 20, 2004 10:59 am

Ital,

One essential Juck's Incorporation Dub Classic!

The rhythm guide has this one right.

After 'Dub Is The Answer' is the track 'King A Thing' which is a combination of two more great versions of 'Ting A Ling', one a binghi style song over the rhythm, the other another great instrumental version of the same rhythm.

The last track 'Theme From The Scorcher' has no connection to Bob Andy's 'Unchained' as it is on Derrick Harriott's 'Tonight' rhythm. This rhythm was covered by Lennie Hibbert at Studio 1 on his 'Creation' LP and titled 'Real Hot'.

This is how the track listing is on the current repressed LP.

I too would like to know about 'Gumbia Jump' and 'Garvey Night'. Perhaps they are one-off originals? Wicked tunes anyway!
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Postby Dubac » Mon Dec 20, 2004 12:01 pm

Jackie Pablo wrote:Ital,

One essential Juck's Incorporation Dub Classic!

The rhythm guide has this one right.

The last track 'Theme From The Scorcher' has no connection to Bob Andy's 'Unchained' as it is on Derrick Harriott's 'Tonight' rhythm. This rhythm was covered by Lennie Hibbert at Studio 1 on his 'Creation' LP and titled 'Real Hot'.


Are you sure they aren't the same rhythm, or at least share the same bassline?

After reading Ital's post, I took out the Jucks LP. When I got to the 'Unchained' track, I recognised it as something I'd heard before with the repeated lyric 'Tonight' (but didn't know the artist).

Then I found Bob Andy's 'Songbook' LP and put 'Unchained' on. It is the same rhythm as the one Ital mentions on Jucks. And, being from Studio One, it's more likely to be the source of that dub than something Derrick Harriott put together.

Maybe either Coxsone or Derrick just 'borrowed' the rhythm from the other :?: :wink:

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Postby Jackie Pablo » Mon Dec 20, 2004 12:31 pm

Dubac,

I agree that 'Unchained' is a similar sound and maybe has the same bass line but I do not think it is the same rhythm.

'Tonight' - Keith & Tex was from 1967 and Lennie Hibbert's 'Real Hot' was 1969, (as was Bob Andy's 'Unchained') so I'd guess it's a Coxsone cover.

4 Versions of this rhythm are on a Trojan 10"

(A)
Tonight - Keith & Tex
Children Children - Scotty

(B)
Bedroom Mazurka - Augustus Pablo & Fay
Bedroom Mazurka Version 2 - The Crystalites & A Pablo


Here's a couple of other tracks that probably fit the bill

Tonight - John Holt (Treasure Isle)
Lots Of Sign - Tenor Saw (Youth Promotion)
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Postby JV » Mon Dec 20, 2004 3:25 pm

Here's what's on the CD re-issue of the album. LP re-issue and original LP issue are somewhat different and the mixes differ with the original too.
Theme From The Scorcher is Tonight/Real Hot seamlessly and unindexed followed by a dub to Every Tongue Shall Tell.
Mistic Dub is version of Every Tongue repeated but indexed.
Jungle Dub is Bob Andy's Too Experienced.

Yes, Gumbia Jump (or Gumbay Jump on original issue) sounds like an instrumental jam. I can't imagine it being a version of something. Garvey Night sounds like a song that's not known to the mankind yet. I'm sure there is
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Postby Jackie Pablo » Mon Dec 20, 2004 4:31 pm

Yes JV,

That explanation should help clear things up.

Odd that the 'Unchained' rhythm re-appears as 'Always Dubbing' on the original LP - 'Juk's Incorporation Part Two'.

Have you any idea what rhythm is used for 'Peace Theme' on Part Two, or could that be another original?
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Postby Dave Home » Mon Dec 20, 2004 7:39 pm

Studio One Dub Classics are exclusive combination of Sound Track Originals brilliantly coloured and dramatic in details. There's great selection of real JUK'S and DUB in this album. From the mellow 60's to the bold "Disco Sound" of today still Glitters. They'll light up your life.
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Postby JV » Mon Dec 20, 2004 7:47 pm

Jackie Pablo wrote:Yes JV,

That explanation should help clear things up.

Odd that the 'Unchained' rhythm re-appears as 'Always Dubbing' on the original LP - 'Juk's Incorporation Part Two'.

Have you any idea what rhythm is used for 'Peace Theme' on Part Two, or could that be another original?


Dub of Unchained on the CD Juk's is different from the LP version on Juk's 2. No idea about Peace Theme although it's also kind of tune that must have the vocal counterpart lying hidden somewhere. No one has found it yet.
Typical Coxsone stuff - every re-release of an album features something new, omits some old and almost never a straight reissue. I think Soul Jazz has well adopted this old time policy. But I think this bad predictability is one of the ingredients what made this Studio 1 saga so interesting to follow. Never give them all today, never put all the eggs in one basket, always leave a promise for better tomorrow.[/quote]
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Postby jb welda » Mon Dec 20, 2004 8:09 pm

keith richards: always leave them wanting more.

one love
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Postby Ital Dokta » Tue Dec 21, 2004 5:30 am

Thanks guys - it would appear that my copy ends with Jungle Dub aka Unchained then (though Reggae Riddims lists this track as a version of Too Experienced, must be a mistake on their part I suppose) and omits Theme From the Scorcher and Mistic Dub.

Still wondering about this nyabinghi tune, which is in a separate track preceding King a Thing and bears no resemblance to Ting a Ling that I can hear...
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Postby JV » Tue Dec 21, 2004 6:13 am

Damn, now I confused things again. My mistake. Of course the last track is Too Experienced by Bob Andy. I'm awfully sorry, the listing on the book is absolutely correct.
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Postby Jackie Pablo » Tue Dec 21, 2004 10:10 am

Ital,

The bass line from Ting A Ling underpins that nyabinghi chant. It may sound like a seperate track, but on the vinyl it forms half the track known as 'King A Thing'.

If you wanted to track list them as seperate tracks I suggest
'King A Thing Part 1' (AKA Comma Binghi Man).
'King A Thing Part 2' (instrumental)

One beautiful rhythm! Essential Studio 1 versions to check -

King A Thing - Dub Specialist (Juck's Pt 1)
Theme A Ling - Dub Specialist (Juck's Pt 1)
Ting A Ling - The Heptones (7" rocksteady)
Ting A Ling Version - The Heptones (7" rocksteady)
Ting A Ling - The Heptones (7", late 60's early 70's re-cut)
Ting A Ling Part 2 (7" late 70's ? updated dubby version)
Natty Ting A Ling - Prince Jazzbo

non Studio1 versions

Do You Believe - Home T 4, Sly & Robbie (Taxi)
Insecure - Gregory Isaacs (Supreme)
Ting A Ling - The Tamlins (DEB)


Anyone know of any other versions on this rhythm?
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Postby DG » Tue Dec 21, 2004 10:12 am

(just' listening to) Clive Field Marshall Ting-a-Ling-a-Ling
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Postby jay-b » Wed Dec 22, 2004 10:32 am

re ting a ling - dont forget the heptones studio one 12" version which comes b/w "dock of the bay"....
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Postby Gimialight » Wed Dec 22, 2004 10:07 pm

Forgive Them-Johnny Osbourne Studio One7"
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