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Transition

Postby Ranking Glasses » Mon Jul 23, 2018 1:33 pm

I find it interesting how some artists transitioned from one genre / era to another while others faded into obscurity. For example, Delroy Wilson, Jimmy Cliff, BMWs, Alton Ellis, Ken Boothe, Justin Hinds, etc., moved successfully from ska into rocksteady / early reggae. Dennis Brown, Gregory Isaacs, Sugar Minott, etc., moved into early 80's dancehall and then into the post-1984 digital scene, and Briggy managed it as a DJ.

However, while I Roy, Big Youth, Dennis Alcapone, etc. were very successful in the 1970's, they became irrelevant in the 80's and would have been even more out of place in the early digital era. Or would they? U Roy seems to have dipped in and out over the years and managed to pull it off. Clint Eastwood had a new lease of life with General Saint. Dillinger & Leroy Gibbons with the unforgettable "Bruck Camera". Trinity was reborn as Junior Brammer and of course Prince Mohammed as George Nooks. Big Youth has also made some nice modern tunes such as Not An Easy Road with Tafari.

There is also the rhythm factor. Did thunderous rhythms carry some artists who sounded ordinary once these rhythms were gone? Johnny Clarke and Linval Thompson are good examples who sounded great singing heavy roots but not so great on "softer" rhythms. The same thing happened to Big Youth & Burning Spear with some of their later LPs.

Does anyone know what I'm talking about? Do you have examples of artists who have gone out of style / evolved and stayed relevant?
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Re: Transition

Postby 99thfloor » Tue Jul 24, 2018 3:40 am

I think Wailing Souls and Mighty Diamonds are good examples of artists that adapted to new musical sounds sucessfully, while also still sounding like themselves. Freddie McGregor also always (and still to this day) sounds good (but maybe not always necessarily using the most modern sounds).

This would be an unsuccesful attempt to update (altough towards an "international" sound, not current JA trends): http://www.discogs.com/Roy-Reid-Whapn-B ... ter/966367
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Re: Transition

Postby SteveT » Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:56 am

I think it's mainly deejays whose don't make the transition due to their style sounding outdated when the music changes.

To stay active within the business some concentrate more on other aspects. Such as production with Prince Jazzbo or Tappa Zukie or becoming seclectors like Welton Irie or Jah Stitch
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Re: Transition

Postby Peacemakeya » Tue Jul 24, 2018 9:10 pm

Perhaps one of the most telling transitions is seen in how the Manning brother’s ‘Carlton and the Shoes’, early on the cusp from the rock steady era to the reggae with sounds so sweet as:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Efy2l2JRriE&list=RDEM4nTsJeAfHKDWoNINwVhQjQ&start_radio=1

Then forward a few years when the Manning brothers bring in Bernard Collins as the group ‘Abyssnians’ and miracle-ize the soundscape with one of the most prominent signature sounds of the Golden Age of Reggae with the album ‘Satta Massagana’

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Q1C0sC6yq8&frags=pl%2Cwn

Seen a recent ‘Arrested Development’ from the very positive hip-hop pioneers who had hits like ‘People Everyday’ and ‘Mr. Wendal’. Now they asking “Who put the T in front of RAP = TRAP”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvpWYg7ak7w&frags=pl%2Cwn

Looking at todays so-called reggae from the perspective of music styles, different recording technologies etc. is, IMO, the small of it. The life and death question is, how them with eyes to see & ears to hear are to navigate thru this anti-cultural low tide era commandeered by ego-driven enfant terribles haters posing as reggae inheritors. Got to ask: In these increasingly perilous times - Who put the dunceHELL in sweet reggae dancehall?
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Re: Transition

Postby Ranking Glasses » Wed Jul 25, 2018 6:27 am

Very true about the DJs Tune In. Although Eek Mouse is a notable exception. Outdated DJ tunes from the 70's were a Godsend for me because they were normally a very cheap and brilliant way of discovering different rhythms and especially the original vocals. Too many but a few examples are:

Jah Stitch - Militant Man / Johnny Clarke - Dread Natty Congo
Jah Woosh - Lick Him with the Dustbin / Errol Holt - A You Lick Me First
Ranking Trevor - Anti Lulu / Horace Andy - Girl I Love You
Tappa Zukie - Don't Get Weary / Tony Brevett - Don't Get Weary
Prince Jazzbo - Step Forward Youth / Tony Brevett I'm So Ashamed
Yellowman - Over Me / Terrors - Don't Bother Me

Peacemakeya, so you're saying there is no longer a space for established / talented artists to move into? You're probably right and it could explain why there is so much nostalgia surrounding reggae music.
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Re: Transition

Postby Ranking Glasses » Thu Jul 26, 2018 6:26 am

Can the "transition" to a wider / international audience be a bad thing? As with anthropology where the society changes because it's being observed, have some artists deliberately or unwittingly water down their music? It's ironic that many European audiences nowadays want heavy roots and dub while regular black audiences don't. Although my friend slipped in Hard Times and Prophecy at his birthday party the other night! The former had everyone up on their feet while the latter prompted everyone to grab a drink.
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Re: Transition

Postby Gimialight » Thu Jul 26, 2018 9:48 pm

Beres Hammond I think is example of an artist from the seventies that has managed to evolve and stay relevant.
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Re: Transition

Postby Ranking Glasses » Fri Jul 27, 2018 6:05 am

Yes, very true. Is it the case that the singers with the best voices are better able to transition while those with more limited vocals like Pinchers, Pliers, Courtney Melody, etc., are only big in their time?
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Re: Transition

Postby Marvin » Fri Jul 27, 2018 3:41 pm

Gimialight beat me to it, Beres is a great example !

Looking forward to seeing him along with Sanchez in August, as I stated in a previous thread the wife and I are huge fans.

RG re the party and roots reference I completely agree. The majority of my families parties don't include roots but focus more on rocksteady, rub a dub, dancehall, Lovers/lovers rock and a good few contempary JA tunes...

The only time roots is really prevelant is within the collectors scene, duplate showdowns (Proper soundmen, south Norwood etc)
As stated the european scene has this focus but as another poster put along time ago lots of roots but no culture.

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Re: Transition

Postby capullo » Fri Jul 27, 2018 4:33 pm

on a slightly different note - have to mention horace andy and earl 16 here too! both great singers who are very open minded and not afraid of "modern" or progressive electronic dance music, trip hop etc. styles. massive attack, dreadzone, leftfield and nick manasseh high quality productions opened a new musical terrain for them with great success.
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Re: Transition

Postby Ranking Glasses » Sat Jul 28, 2018 8:11 am

David Rodigan has also moved with the times and evolved as the music evolved. I'm still surprised at the lenghts he's gone to with major sound clashes, etc., but good on him.

Barrington Levy is an intersting one from bursting onto the scene in the late 70's / early 80's with hit after hit in mainly roots & culture style and then moving into dancehall and love songs with great success. Dropping the roots & culture didn't seem to hurt his career but I absolutley loved his roots tunes. I didn't realise that he voiced several of them in London.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TLALFNwQZQs
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Re: Transition

Postby Tune In 2 » Fri Aug 03, 2018 11:10 pm

Freddie McGregor is a prime example of an artist that has made the transition that you refer to,
from his early days when he was at Studio One (circa 1963) with The Clarendonians, then with his solo offerings in 1979 with the "Bobby Bobylon" album for Coxsone Dodd, Studio One
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSPcs0ahYro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwvJlOxU3HU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdL6A7C1xfY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mfia5zyaGxQ
& also the same year with the "Mr. McGregor"album for Niney The Observer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LA9g-QYkzm8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qclCmrpGJnU (from Mr. McGregor album))
till now 2018 with "Go Freddie" Go https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pyf8qUcX7qw &
with many many hits in between.
In 1987 he had success with his song "Just Don't Want To Be Lonely" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18W12j-ocgs which became a hit Singles in the UK Charts which reached No. 9
Freddie McGregor is one of those artist that seems to stay current with the songs that he sings and the riddims that he voices, i would and will call him a seasoned veteran https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/seasoned
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Re: Transition

Postby 99thfloor » Fri Aug 03, 2018 11:55 pm

Tune In 2 wrote:Freddie McGregor is one of those artist that seems to stay current with the songs that he sings and the riddims that he voices, i would and will call him a seasoned veteran...

I usually check out VP's yearly Reggae Gold and Strictly The Best series, as part of an effort to stay up to date with what's current, and almost every year Freddie has a song included on those (mainly on S.T.B., which has the minor hits).
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Re: Transition

Postby Tune In 2 » Sat Aug 04, 2018 3:31 pm

Little Joe better known as Ranking Joe is a dj/mc/toaster that fits in the with the transitions from 1974 as Little Joe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrwRsIysvpk till now 2018 as Ranking Joe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fc23T54KBLk
He seems to have had a brake in the late 80's however has constantly been recording and releasing tracks since 1974 and still is relevent
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