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Re: No don't legalise it

Postby Ranking Glasses » Wed Dec 20, 2017 12:30 pm

"What is psychosis?
Psychosis can be a symptom of serious mental illness like bipolar disorder or schizophrenia. It can also be related to stress, depression or drugs and alcohol.
In a psychotic episode, a person loses touch with reality as other people see it. They might hear voices, see or feel things that aren't there, feel paranoid or believe things that don't rationally make sense.
Although it can be scary, psychosis is treatable. Some people have one episode of psychosis and never have another one, while others might need ongoing treatment.
The symptoms of psychosis
Other people might notice symptoms before you do, because psychosis can make you feel like things are normal when they're not. Symptoms include:
• hallucinations where you see, feel, smell or hear things that aren't there
• delusions, where you 'just know' things that seem unreal to other people
• feeling that you're being followed or your life is in danger
• muddled thinking and difficulty concentrating
• a feeling that you're being controlled by something outside yourself
• feeling like time speeds up or slows down."

A pretty good summary.
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Re: No don't legalise it

Postby finbar » Wed Dec 20, 2017 1:39 pm

Glasses, I am sorry to hear about your relative, and I hope that he improves.

There has been quite a bit written about psychosis these days, and it does appear that herb, along with alcohol, and "legal" drugs can trigger psychotic episodes. "Trigger" is the key word here, for to call any of the afore-mentioned things a "cause" is dangerous because it suggests that changing the habits of what you ingest will magically "cure" what is wrong within your brain. People who experience psychotic episodes quite often have a pre-disposition to Alzheimers, Parkinson's Disease, or even brain tumours and cysts. To focus on "it's the herb's fault" may mislead people to think that removing what triggers these episodes to believe that abstinence is a cure, when it no way addresses the underlying causes.

Many on this board who grew up in the "Refer Madness" era, where we were told that "one puff" will turn you into a crazy monster. Knowing this, you can appreciate why some people are skeptical when the boy once again cries "wolf". But because something isn't suitable for one person doesn't mean it should be banned for others. Do you advocate banning alcohol and prescription drugs as well? These can also cause psychotic episodes within someone who is pre-disposed to them.

It should be studied for the many benefits that has brought people for thousands of years, with both its virtues and drawbacks noted so people can make educated life choices. Many believe that it cures glaucoma, so maybe if you decide to lighten up and light up, you'll no longer need your glasses, and you'll simply be "Ranking"!

Cheers, and Merry Christmas.
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Re: No don't legalise it

Postby Ranking Glasses » Wed Dec 20, 2017 3:05 pm

Finbar, you make some good points especially about weed / skunk and other substances being potential triggers. I'm obviously not on expert on narcotics or mental health so I am grateful for yours and other peoples' inout, even JB's

If you read what I actually wrote, I said that people should be given all the information so that they can make an informed choice which is not disimilar to what you say. I also mentioned cannabis providing a financial lifeline to many people in JA including my own family members. I didn't mention the health benefits of ganja but we were given it to drink as children when we had a chesty cough.

Nowhere did I say it should be banned. I'm not sure why in that case you're making personal comments about me?
As for lightening-up, it's pretty hard to do so when my 19 year old cousin has been sectioned and will spend Christmas in a mental health institution instead of at home with his family.
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Re: No don't legalise it

Postby finbar » Wed Dec 20, 2017 3:17 pm

Ranking Glasses wrote:Nowhere did I say it should be banned. I'm not sure why in that case you're making personal comments about me?


RG, I assumed your stance on legalization was that you were against it because you started a thread entitled "No, don't legalize it". And having never met you, I have no comment to make about you except that I enjoy your posts. I hope that your cousin improves over time.
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Re: No don't legalise it

Postby Ranking Glasses » Wed Dec 20, 2017 3:27 pm

Was just a play on the famous Peter Tosh song but point taken. Thanks man. Hope you have a good Christmas.
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Re: No don't legalise it

Postby Ras Berry » Wed Dec 20, 2017 4:06 pm

jb welda wrote:thank you ras berry.

ps: got that new dub syndicate set of unreleased recordings the other day, another top set.

one love
jb


It's in my ever-growing "to listen to" pile... one day

8)
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Re: No don't legalise it

Postby Ranking Glasses » Tue Aug 28, 2018 12:06 pm

Even though this thread descended into arguing from some quarters including me, a lot of good points were made on both sides. I regret the negative comments because they probably resulted from a huge misunderstanding. ("This man and that man are the same kind of man, the only thing is they don't understand each other". Naggo Morris - Su Su Pon Rasta.)

The reason I'm reopening this discussion is that I watched a documentary called Drinkers Like Me last night which covered Adrian Chiles' (a T.V. presenter) drinking habits. I was shocked and amazed that he regularly exceeded the recommended weekly limit of 14 units of alcohol for men on a daily basis and has done so for years.

Do you drink regularly? Do you think that alcohol is damaging?
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Re: No don't legalise it

Postby Tune In 2 » Tue Aug 28, 2018 1:34 pm

Ranking Glasses wrote:Do you drink regularly? Do you think that alcohol is damaging?

Do you drink regularly? No
Do you think that alcohol is damaging? Yes
However just like anything that is taken in excess of what the body can handle will be damaging/harmful, every ones tolerance levels are different, i remember years ago (last century) when special brew was popular, a colleague at work could and would drink at least 5 cans before it would have any effect on him, however one draw and he was out like candle in a hurricane on the other hand a next one would would smoke a chalice and be ire but a soon a he had a Tennent’s Super T or a Special Brew he would be stumbling and muttering nonsense.
I suppose get to know what your temple/body can handle and don't stray to far from that (if you what to that is)
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Re: No don't legalise it

Postby Novice » Tue Aug 28, 2018 1:53 pm

I was out of commission during this discussion Ranking, as I mentioned before, due to not being able to remember my brother's password so of course that was a great loss for all involved, as well as great gain...I leave it to the people to decide which though I could tell you that if they are drinking it will be the former and if they are sober it will be the latter.

According to recent study they found that no amount of alcohol is good for you, contradicting previous beliefs about a glass of wine a day and all that nonsense. But studies can be helpful but they can also be like reading a book about war and thinking you know what war is like...it's not that the book got anything wrong necessarily but you have to be able to know all, or much, of what there is to get right or wrong in order to produce anything worth it's salt.

Do you fight regularly, do you think getting punched in the face is damaging. The answer to your alcohol question and the answer to my question aren't that different if you think about it. They will vary to the same degree. I'm sure someone knows of someone that got punched in the face once and died as a result and then you have those stubborn Irish cnuts that get socked in the face on the regular and seemingly go about their business unaffected. The classic simpleton explanation is that it's a matter of toughness or the ability to take a licking but it's like Mike Tyson said, "everyone's got a plan 'till they get punched in the face" which I will change for my purposes to "everyone's got an explanation 'till they get facts in the face." Too many factors at play to make a definitive answer, though we could, with a lot of time and patience and an ability to endure a tedious on going process which most people haven't the stamina or will to endure, as evidenced by virtually any discussion I've been involved in. Finbar, an old sparring partner, perhaps being an exception with what I can recall of his style in the past, along with a few others whose names you might not recognize.

As soon as we'd make one declaration of alcohol another would prove us wrong or incorrect so there's really no solution. Well there is one but it's a bit too fantastical to be taken seriously. A vice condom® would be the only solution. Sounds a bit redundant if you think about it literally considering putting a condom on a vice might technically make the vice grip things a little better with the friction from the rubber but I'm speaking more in the abstract. We got condoms for sex to prevent diseases but if there was a condom for every vice, drinking, drugging, eating sh*t food, not exercising etc etc. and we could strap it on and be immune from the effects, well then I think the world would be a better place. Not only the world but the oceans as well, all that wasted plastic would most definitely not be wasted, what with all the vice in the world, there wouldn't be enough plastic/rubber to meet the demand for VICE CONDOMS®. Crime would probably go down as well and the world will be a better place and people will talk about the "bad old days" when condoms were just things you ejaculated into, occasionally when they were located inside a vagina, but mostly to keep things tidy when you're by yourself, in my case. I just haven't really been able to figure out the logistics of the vice condom® hence it's being a bit too fantastical but also on account of I just thought of it.

Trying to solve a drinking/smoking problem is trying to solve a psychological problem really and I know how you feel about amateur psychologists, as you've pointed out to me not so gracefully, but I'll allow you the hypocrisy but only because you didn't know any better. Now that you do you are left in a bit of a pickle, you either have to concede something to Me which is an unbearable punishment for most on a message board or you have to not do what it is you enjoy doing on this message board to pass your time at work, which I know is an unbearable punishment for you.

You may need a pint to think things over.

-Me
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Re: No don't legalise it

Postby Ranking Glasses » Tue Aug 28, 2018 2:00 pm

I'm not much of a drinker so 1 Special Brew would make my head spin. One of the interesting points from the documentary was that Adrian Chiles has a high tolerance level and has been drinking heavily for years while holding a successful and high profile career. However, while his liver function blood test was ok, an ultra-sound scan revealed serious liver damage that would result in sclerosis of the liver and eventually death if he carried on drinking at the same level.

There was an article in the news last week which covered the results of a world-wide and long term study into drinking. 1 in 3 people drink and drinking at any level is harmful so the Government's advice of 14 units per week for men and 7 for women may need to be revised.

Drinking was / is a big part of Jamaican and British culture. I was often given a sip of beer or a little can at family get togethers from a very young age. We had Guinness punch on a Sunday. A drop of whisky was put into a baby's bottle to help them sleep. At Christmas time we used to have a sip of Baby Cham, Tia Maria, Cherry Brandy or Egg Nog when our parents weren't looking.
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Re: No don't legalise it

Postby Ranking Glasses » Tue Aug 28, 2018 2:12 pm

Novice wrote: Now that you do you are left in a bit of a pickle, you either have to concede something to Me which is an unbearable punishment for most on a message board or you have to not do what it is you enjoy doing on this message board to pass your time at work, which I know is an unbearable punishment for you.

You may need a pint to think things over.

-Me


Well if you're buying mine is a Peroni please. Cheers!
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Re: No don't legalise it

Postby Ranking Glasses » Wed Aug 29, 2018 6:15 am

Like with weed, alcohol seems to be a normal part of life enjoyed by many. However, it can also mask and probably exacerbate mental health issues. Adrian Chiles suffers from both depression and anxiety and uses alcohol to help him cope. When I think of so many people I know who are alcoholics or heavy drinkers, I suspect that several of them also suffer from depression. As someone who suffers from anxiety, I can see how some people would use alcohol to calm their nerves but I suspect it will only make their anxiety worse in the long run.
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Re: No don't legalise it

Postby drwatts53 » Wed Aug 29, 2018 4:52 pm

Reverting to cannabis, it's now claimed that an extract can help treat psychosis: https://www.theguardian.com/science/201 ... -psychosis .
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Re: No don't legalise it

Postby Ranking Glasses » Wed Aug 29, 2018 6:56 pm

Now there's irony for you!
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Re: No don't legalise it

Postby itsmeagain » Sun Sep 02, 2018 10:38 am

I work with people whose brains have been mashed permanently by cannabis.
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