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Two Year Old Riddim (Jammys)

Postby Duke Beat » Thu Sep 28, 2017 4:04 pm

yes People,

does anybody know if there are other songs on the two year old riddim produced by King Jammys?
I only found Garnet Silk - Watch over my Shoulder (Bless My Soul) and Turbo Belly - Babylon.
if there isn't any other cut, can anybody tell me if there is an Instrumental beside the Version on the 7" from Garnet Silk?
any Dub Album or sth like this.

Thanks for your answers and have a nice day!
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Re: Two Year Old Riddim (Jammys)

Postby Ranking Glasses » Thu Sep 28, 2017 4:58 pm

2 Year Old by Admiral Bailey https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=au9Rs7wPKoM
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Re: Two Year Old Riddim (Jammys)

Postby Duke Beat » Thu Sep 28, 2017 8:26 pm

i should have mentioned that i'm talking about the same riddim cut.
Admiral Bailey is different imo.

but thx for your answer mate
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Re: Two Year Old Riddim (Jammys)

Postby soul rebel » Wed Oct 04, 2017 12:43 am

(Lord) Watch Over My Shoulder is on the Lecturer riddim...
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Re: Two Year Old Riddim (Jammys)

Postby finbar » Wed Oct 04, 2017 11:18 am

soul rebel wrote:(Lord) Watch Over My Shoulder is on the Lecturer riddim...


The horns line is from "Lecturer", but the bass line is "Two Year Old". Both are the similar in chord intervals (1-IV-V) but the bass line in "Two Year Old" plays octaves. Riddims are generally categorized by unique bass lines, and not melody lines.
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Re: Two Year Old Riddim (Jammys)

Postby soul rebel » Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:05 am

Of course the bass line is what counts, but in this case it doesn't make sense.
Would you play the Garnett together with Bailey, or together with, say, Buju''s "From Concrete Jungle.."?
I would not be surprised if whoever put together the rhythm for Jammy actually intended to do Lecturer, but didn't compare the bass with previous versions closely enough. And since in Two Year Old the bass line is similar, and so up front, it might have been a mistake? Why else put the Lecturer horns on it?

I realize I'm still not helping with your original question, and I'm sorry for that, but I just wanted to make my case here :D
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Re: Two Year Old Riddim (Jammys)

Postby finbar » Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:51 pm

soul rebel wrote:Of course the bass line is what counts, but in this case it doesn't make sense. I would not be surprised if whoever put together the rhythm for Jammy actually intended to do Lecturer, but didn't compare the bass with previous versions closely enough. And since in Two Year Old the bass line is similar, and so up front, it might have been a mistake? Why else put the Lecturer horns on it?


It's not uncommon to plant a melody from one song onto the riddim of another, so I doubt that it was a "mistake", it just follows a creative tradition.
"Two Year Old" has no real melody line in the intro, it was built as a DJ riddim, so someone simply saw fit to add an opening phrase.
There is no "logic" or "rules" for musicians, it's all about inspiration and alchemy :D
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Re: Two Year Old Riddim (Jammys)

Postby soul rebel » Sat Oct 07, 2017 4:56 pm

Finbar, I am not aware of any more examples of this that I remember.

Can you give me some tips?
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Re: Two Year Old Riddim (Jammys)

Postby Ital Kemar » Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:16 am

hi , dont know if this is what finbar means but,
the bass line off vin gordons heavenless, and the horns off the ethiopians train to skaville,
are both used on cool stickys train to soulville
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Re: Two Year Old Riddim (Jammys)

Postby SteveT » Tue Oct 10, 2017 11:52 am

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Re: Two Year Old Riddim (Jammys)

Postby soul rebel » Wed Oct 11, 2017 11:11 pm

Ital Kemar, Train To Skaville came out before Heavenless.

SteveT, I'm sure you meant this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tTZFefNDGc :P
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Re: Two Year Old Riddim (Jammys)

Postby SteveT » Thu Oct 12, 2017 9:17 am

"a melody from one song onto the riddim of another"
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Re: Two Year Old Riddim (Jammys)

Postby soul rebel » Fri Oct 13, 2017 11:26 pm

But in your case, Steve, it's exactly the same riddim, used for anothers tune. That obviously has been done thousands of times.

The question here is like a "mashup" of two riddims into one. Eg, the bassline from one, and the horns from another.
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Re: Two Year Old Riddim (Jammys)

Postby Gimialight » Sat Oct 14, 2017 10:05 am

Other cuts of the Two year old riddim
https://youtu.be/CCn_o4rx1f4
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Re: Two Year Old Riddim (Jammys)

Postby finbar » Sat Oct 14, 2017 11:20 am

soul rebel wrote:But in your case, Steve, it's exactly the same riddim, used for anothers tune. That obviously has been done thousands of times.

The question here is like a "mashup" of two riddims into one. Eg, the bassline from one, and the horns from another song.


Steve's example is spot-on:

Jammy's re-licked an existing riddim ("Two Year Old") and added a melody line from another song ("Lecturer")
Dennis Bovell re-licked an existing riddim ("A Little Way Different") and added a melody line from another song ("Rockfort Rock").

This is a good example of the tradition I was referring to, which counters your belief that either Jammy's or his musician made a "mistake" and recorded "Lecturer" incorrectly. It's common within many musical styles to use an existing melody within a "new" song. Use a little and it's called paying respect, but should you use too much you might find a lawyer knocking at your door. :D

As for a "mash-up", that is when you take multiple existing recordings electronically manipulate them into one.
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